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Jul 8

Mc6-HX Stomp: change banks & presets together?

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Is it possible to dedicate an up and a down scroll button that will control the banks on MC6 and the presets on HX Stomp?

I use presets 1-6 on the HX Stomp. I’d like the MC6 bank to match the different presets on the HX Stomp wNile scolling back and forth easily.

 

Help please

I came mere to ask the same question. It doesn't seem like there is a way to do this, but I hope I'm wrong!

I’m if surprised we’re the only two people wishing to do this

Jul 10Edited: Jul 10

It’s not really clear to me what you are trying to do so I will make some assumptions. I take it that you want to use one preset on the MC6 to scroll banks on the MC6 and presets on the Stomp. And that you want to use the other MC6 presets in the bank to do something that is specific to the Stomp preset you have selected. I say this because if the actions associated with the Stomp presets are the same, e.g. something like selecting a snapshot, I would take another approach. But all things being equal and if my assumptions are accurate, you could do the following:

 

Bank 1, preset A

MSG1 - Action: Release, Type: Set Bank, Bank Value:2

MSG2 - Action: Release, Type: Program Change, Value: PC Number: 2, Channel: 1

MSG3 - Action: Long Press Release, Type: Set Bank, Bank Value:6

MSG4 - Action: Long Press Release, Type: Program Change, Value: PC Number: 6, Channel: 1

 

Bank 2, preset A

MSG1 - Action: Release, Type: Set Bank, Bank Value:3

MSG2 - Action: Release, Type: Program Change, Value: PC Number: 3, Channel: 1

MSG3 - Action: Long Press Release, Type: Set Bank, Bank Value:1

MSG4 - Action: Long Press Release, Type: Program Change, Value: PC Number: 1, Channel: 1

 

etc ...

 

Bank 6, preset A

MSG1 - Action: Release, Type: Set Bank, Bank Value:1

MSG2 - Action: Release, Type: Program Change, Value: PC Number: 1, Channel: 1

MSG3 - Action: Long Press Release, Type: Set Bank, Bank Value:5

MSG4 - Action: Long Press Release, Type: Program Change, Value: PC Number: 5, Channel: 1

 

When testing be sure that the device is disconnected from the editor otherwise it won’t work.

 

edit: quick note. This will obviously work best if the Stomp is on preset 1 at the outset.

Not exactly. I'm switching banks by hitting two buttons at the same time as labeled...

 

When I switch from say bank 1 to bank 2 id like to be able to send a program change to the HX stomp (or whatever else) along with each bank change. I have it set up to have each bank as a different song, so it would be great if as i change the bank (song) on the MC6, it changes the preset(song) on the hx stomp.

 

Right now i have change the bank, then assign a separate button to a preset which is an extra push, leaves me one less button in each bank and more margin for error. Maybe I'm missing something though?

 

 

Jul 10Edited: Jul 10

At present you can’t do what you want. It would be nice to have a set of messages that were sent when a bank was entered and another set when the bank was exited. But as things stand such is not the case. You could suggest it as a new feature. I would vote for it.

 

The solution I provided will allow you to switch banks and Stomp presets using 1 preset/button on the MC6. Doing a press will increment the MC6 bank and the Stomp preset. Doing a long press will decrement the MC6 bank and the Stomp preset. Yes, you will have used a preset on the MC6 but you only need one action, i.e. a press or a long press, to change both the MC6 bank and the Stomp preset. Personally I find that preferable to hitting 2 switches simultaneously followed by another button press to select the Stomp preset. ymmv.

I’m unsure if the above is what I need but I think my requirement is simpler. I would like to scroll through my HX stomp presets up and down. Using say Bank 1 preset A on the MC6 to scroll up on the stomp and preset B to scroll down. Note I need to move frm one preset (say 40A) to the next (40B) and back... NOT snapshots. Can anyone Plse assist with this possibly very obvious question?

Oct 27

There are a variety of ways to do this. Here is one:

 

Preset A

MSG1 - Action: Press, Type: PC Scroll Up, Slot 1, Increment Yes, Lower Limit 0, Upper Limit 127, Channel 1

 

Preset B

MSG1 - Action: Press, Type: PC Scroll Down, Slot 1, Increment Yes, Lower Limit 0, Upper Limit 127, Channel 1

 

You can also set subsets of the range, for example 5-12 and 13-21, if you want to use ranges for things like set lists.

Oct 27

The disadvantage with using PC Scroll Up and PC Scroll Down is that the MC6 has no knowledge of the HXS state. So if the MC6 slot register has a value of 1 and on the HXS you scroll to preset 50, when you use the MC6 preset to scroll up it will set the HXS preset to 2.

 

A way around this is to set FS4 to Preset Up and FS5 to Preset Down in the HXS GlobalSetting>Footswitches and then use CCs 52 &53 to emulate FS4 & FS5. The downside of using this approach is that only one function can be assigned to FS4 & 5 in the global setting. There is no free lunch.

This is awesome. Knew it could be done , just gets a bit overwhelming...so appreciate your detailed reply. I get the FS4 & FS5 thing, I can live with that. No free lunches indeed! Well said :) Assuming I wont need to worry about subsets should I set up the FS4 & FS 5 correctly? Thanku so much.

Oct 28Edited: Oct 28

Yes. And if you want to use PC Scroll Up and PC Scroll Down you still can. Each method is independent of the other and they can be used at the same time.

 

Something that isn’t obvious from the Line 6 documentation is that even though the functions for PC Scroll Up and PC Scroll Down have been assigned, the EXP 1/2, FS 4/5 port on the HXS is still available if you want to use it for an expression pedal.

I use my MC6 to get specific presets on HXS, For a Top-40 gig situation I use a bank with 6 different HXS-Presets. What I have done on my MC6 and HXS setup, is that when I hit a certain Preset on the MC6, it goes to a separate bank on the MC6 with dedicated Controls for that specific HXS preset.

 

And later on I realized about the "hidden" page on the MC6, preset G-L. So now I use it the same way, but instead of using different banks on the MC6, I just jump to the Second page for controlling the Effects on the HXS.

 

As far as the scrolling with banks and presets. It could be done. I use it this way. On the MC6, switch A-F controls HXS Presets using either Double Tap or Long Press. That way I can still use the switch for controlling the presets on the HXS with a normal press.. And you could still use the toggle on/off if you want, (just put position to BOTH)

The way the MC6 could be programmed is:

For MC6 switch A

MSG1 - Action: Long Press, Type: Control Change, CC Number:69 , CC Value 0-2 (what snapshot you want)

MSG2 - Action: Long Press, Type: Program Change, PC Number: (HXS Preset), Channel: 1

MSG3 - Action: Long Press , Type: Set Bank, Bank Value:1

 

For MC6 switch B

MSG1 - Action: Long Press, Type: Control Change, CC Number:69 , CC Value 0-2 (what snapshot you want)

MSG2 - Action: Long Press, Type: Program Change, PC Number: (HXS Preset), Channel: 1

MSG3 - Action: Long Press , Type: Set Bank, Bank Value: 2

 

For MC6 switch C

MSG1 - Action: Long Press, Type: Control Change, CC Number:69 , CC Value 0-2 (what snapshot you want)

MSG2 - Action: Long Press, Type: Program Change, PC Number:1-127(HXS Preset), Channel: 1

MSG3 - Action: Long Press , Type: Set Bank, Bank Value: 3

 

For MC6 switch D

MSG1 - Action: Long Press, Type: Control Change, CC Number:69 , CC Value 0-2 (what snapshot you want)

MSG2 - Action: Long Press, Type: Program Change, PC Number:1-127(HXS Preset), Channel: 1

MSG3 - Action: Long Press , Type: Set Bank, Bank Value: 4

 

and so on....

 

Not really scrolling, but you will get the HXS Presets and the MC6 Bank you want.

 

Ok so now I can access scroll OR set up the presets I need as above - I now have access to my tuner and my MC6 is 70% ready to go!!! Last part is a volume boost. Like the whole level of ANY preset up by say 20db. The equivalent of turning the volume up on the HX stomp. I need access to this in case the crowd gets raucous, depending on the room. Any ideas ?? 🤞🤞🤞

Oct 28Edited: Oct 28

You can control the overall preset volume using the level parameter in the output block. You can use a MC6 preset to toggle the level using the parameter control methodology described in the HXS manual on p. 48. Pay special attention to item 3 where you set the min and max values. Those will be the levels you toggle between.

Deselby.... just checking is this something I have to set for EACH preset or as u say, is it overall? One botton push and provided I set it up correctly- it’ll give me a boost no matter what preset I’m on ? You’ve been so very helpful 🙏

Oct 29

It’s per preset. I’m not aware of any way of doing it globally. That said you can create an empty preset and set the parameter control min, max and CC number for the level on the output block. If you copy and use that preset for building your other presets the parameter control settings, including the CC you have assigned, will be preserved. Still a bit tedious but I think less so than having to make the assignment every time.

What I do is I sent a PC message to the Stomp with a long press on a MC6 switch. So, I scroll my MC6 bank, and then I long press a switch to recall the Stomp preset. But for sur, the best way would be to have a selection of midi-messages sent when the MC6 load a bank. Then, every devices are automatically synced

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